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“I loved 70s New York, it was like the wild West.”
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Legs McNeil: Armagideon time.
Published: May 1, 2025.
“I was more interested in the apocalypse, get it over with.”
Cheshire, Connecticut, is situated about 80 miles northeast of Manhattan. It’s the type of suburban town that epitomizes traditional New England life with its emphasis on wealthy middle-class order and Stepford Wife conformity.
Some might call it swanky, quintessential small-town USA. Lots of charming homes lined with white picket fences, and schooner-sized WASPy heritage.
It’s also home to the Farmington Canal, once a watery artery of commerce that gently winds its way through Connecticut’s landscape.
“When I came along, I was like, where’s the party? I was the black sheep of the family.”
For a young Roderick Edward McNeil, soon to be known as Legs, it was a wild playground, filled with snakes and turtles.
His family home was just a short walk across the adjacent train tracks, an unusual yet convenient place for adventure. Little did he know, this quiet corner of nature would one day push him south, to a world of misfits and dropouts, where he would truly find his place.
McNeil’s formative years were marked by family tragedy. McNeil’s father, Edward, died of stomach cancer when Legs was just two months old.
The impact of this early loss was compounded by the family’s troubled history.
“My dad died when I was born. It was not good, the whole time my mom was pregnant with me, [he] was dying, so she was not having a good time.”
His maternal grandfather took his own life, and his grandmother ended up in a mental institution, leaving McNeil with a deep sense of instability and complexity.
These early experiences of loss, instability, and trauma had a lasting impact on McNeil, helping to shape his view of the world as a place of cruelty, absurdity, and, ultimately, rebellion.
Adding to McNeil’s sense of difference was his anatomical condition.
“I liked Legs. I just wanted a good gangster [name]. I was anything but a tough guy. I weighed a hundred pounds soaking wet.”
Born with a physical anomaly where one of his legs was two inches longer than the other, he earned the nickname “Legs.”
At the age of 16, he underwent surgery to shorten the longer leg, spending a year recovering in a body cast.
The nickname stuck, and it would come to define him, becoming not just a personal moniker but a symbol of his outsider status and eventual rise to punk iconography.
Growing up in a town where conformity reigned, McNeil began to realize he was an outsider, a square peg in a round hole.
“The world was so fucking boring back then. You could either be a hippie or a jock, neither one appealed to me, the minute I could get out, I got out.”
The town’s social fabric was deeply divided into the staid “hippie or jock” dichotomy, but neither option appealed to him. His innate restlessness drove him toward rebellion.
That feeling of suffocating conformity only intensified McNeil’s yearning to find something more, something real, something radical.
McNeil’s first encounter with misfit energy came through music, particularly bands like The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, and The MC5, acts that would influence his punk aesthetic for years to come.
These artists introduced McNeil to a world where sound and attitude transcended the blandness of mainstream culture.
“ I think New York will always be a place that people will dream about and move to, live out their fantasies.”
In 1975, at just 19 years old, Legs McNeil found himself in the heart of a cultural explosion. Disillusioned by the stale and corporate nature of mainstream rock, as well as the self-righteousness of the hippie movement, McNeil wanted something more.
His rebellion against the status quo would take shape in the form of Punk magazine, a publication that would not only give the punk movement its name but also become a cornerstone of its culture.
“I was very fortunate that I got to hang out with Norman Mailer and William Burroughs. It was a fascinating time to be in New York.”
McNeil’s entry into New York City was the beginning of his immersion in the vibrant underground scene that was quietly (but powerfully) rising. This period marked a profound shift in both his trajectory and the cultural fabric of the time.
The CBGB scene was teeming with the raw energy and defiance that McNeil craved, no longer would he be forced to choose between “hippie or jock”; the punk ethos would give him a new identity, a new world to belong to.
“If you went to CBGBs or Max’s, you saw everybody, there were only about two or 300 people in the scene, I loved it all, it was such a fun scene.”
It was during this time that McNeil reconnected with his high school friend, John Holmstrom, who had moved to New York to attend the School of Visual Arts.
Holmstrom, an art student with a deep passion for both comics and counterculture, was already immersed in the bohemian lifestyle.
It was through their shared love of garage rock, satire, and rebellion that McNeil and Holmstrom hatched the idea for Punk magazine.
“John said that if we started a magazine, people would buy us drinks and want to get to know us.”
Holmstrom, who had studied under Harvey Kurtzman (the legendary Mad magazine founder), brought the visual sensibilities that would later define the magazine, while McNeil added the voice, irreverent, snarky, and, above all, unapologetically punk.
Together with Ged Dunn, the magazine’s publisher, they decided to create a platform that would document, critique, and celebrate the emerging punk scene.
McNeil came up with the name Punk, choosing it because it was raw, ugly, and defiant, exactly what they wanted the magazine to represent.
“John wanted to call it Teenage News, and I thought that was a stupid title. I said, ‘Why don’t we call it Punk,’ because that’s what everybody had always called me.”
The debut issue of Punk hit the streets in January 1976, with the legendary Lou Reed on the cover, a perfect choice, as Reed was both an icon of the underground and a symbol of punk’s defiant spirit.
From its first issue, Punk magazine became the voice of a generation.
The magazine wasn’t just a platform for punk bands like The Ramones, Blondie, Television, and Richard Hell; it was a reflection of the attitude of the time.
As McNeil described it, it wasn’t just about the music, it was about challenging everything.
“We decided to call it Punk before we went to see the Ramones at CBGBs.”
At the time, no one had a name for the phenomenon that was bubbling up in the downtown music scene. But Punk magazine was there to document it, to define it, and to give it a name.
In doing so, McNeil and his collaborators not only captured the sound and look of punk but helped to create it.
The punk aesthetic wasn’t just about the music, it was the DIY attitude, the way it looked, the way it felt, and the way it made you see the world differently.
The magazine was made on a shoestring budget in their East Village apartment. They didn’t have the resources of a big publisher; instead, they made it by hand, collaging, typewriting, photocopying, and pasting up each issue.
“I never thought what I did was shocking, maybe other people thought what we were doing was shocking. I just thought it was normal.”
The result was a gritty, unpolished magazine that felt like a zine and read like a comic book.
“We didn’t have money for fancy printing or layouts. We just made it happen,” McNeil recalls. The magazine became an underground sensation, circulated by hand and sold in record stores.
Bands loved it because Punk treated them like characters in a comic book, rather than just products to be marketed.
The magazine captured the rawness of the scene, helping to create a sense of community among misfits, outsiders, and musicians who were otherwise being ignored or marginalized by mainstream culture.
“Deedee Ramone was a brilliant songwriter, and I’d never met a weirder fucking guy, so weird. But he was so brilliant.”
As McNeil explains, “It was a comic book version of a rock magazine, with lots of snark, and lots of attitude.”
In 1996, over two decades after the birth of Punk magazine, Legs McNeil wrote Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk – a book that became a groundbreaking piece of work, capturing the true essence of punk’s chaotic and vibrant energy through the words of the musicians, artists, and outsiders who were there.
“Sid [Vicious] was not the brightest guy in the world, he was dumb. There are many options on who could have killed Nancy [Spungen].”
But Please Kill Me didn’t just document the scene’s highs; it also relived its lows, highlighting the dysfunction, the violence, and the personal destruction that were often intrinsic to the punk lifestyle.
“Rock & roll is so great, people should start dying for it,” McNeil famously wrote.
For McNeil, punk was never just about the music, it was also about the apocalypse and the obliteration of everything that had come before it. The lifestyle of debauchery and hedonism of all those trying to escape.
“I think more people died of cancer than drugs, everybody was taking so many of them, and it was fun, God, I miss Quaaludes.”
As another decade slipped by, in 2005, McNeil stepped into another hedonistic world, one that many tried to avoid, and few truly understood, porn.
But it wasn’t your typical voyeuristic perspective often employed by the mainstream; instead, McNeil’s curiosity led him to uncover the raw, hidden truths beneath its surface.
The Other Hollywood, McNeil’s Uncensored Oral History of the Porn Industry, wasn’t about sensationalizing the industry’s dark corners, it was about peering into its shadows and asking the hard questions; revealing the hidden humanity behind the headlines, showing a side of the industry that wasn’t just about what’s scandalous or salacious.
“Porn went mainstream in 72. I was there at the beginning of it, so I was not intimidated.”
It was about the people, the actors, the producers, the crew, those who lived in this world, often misunderstood, exploited, but also driven by complex, unspoken motivations.
McNeil’s perspective was never about looking down from some moral high ground, it was about trying to understand what drove people to make choices that others deem unthinkable.
Because McNeil wasn’t interested in judging, he was interested in listening, in learning, in revealing truths that no one was willing to face.
A true testament to his ability to connect with the most marginalized voices and present their truths without sensationalism or caricature.
“Porn’s become even more dangerous with the whole ‘Me Too’ movement and sexual assaults.”
In a world often concealed by shame and morality, McNeil stood firm in his belief that everyone, no matter their world or their choices, deserved to be heard.
He wasn’t driven by sensationalism or voyeuristic curiosity; his explorations instead were driven by a relentless quest to understand the unseen, to peel back the layers of society’s forgotten corners, and capture the raw humanity lurking in places most would rather ignore.
For over 40 years, McNeil’s journey has never been a straight line, more of a winding road that’s pulled him further and further into the margins.
“It’s 2025, and we’re still having to fight over people having the right to vote in this country; it’s just awful.”
Always seeking what others shied away from, consistently digging deeper, always diving further into the darkness where the rules are sometimes forged in blood and survival.
Frank Lucas was a man whose hands were stained by heroin and whose legacy would be forever intertwined with the streets of Harlem.
A notorious ’70s smack kingpin, Lucas was best known for his role in the drug trade and for masterminding a sophisticated heroin operation that used a direct pipeline from Southeast Asia.
“New York was run by the Mafia back then; there was always somebody you could go to to get something fixed.”
His story is infamous for its scale and audacity.
Lucas’s street-smart ingenuity often bypassed the traditional middlemen of the drug trade, procuring heroin directly from the source, famously dubbed the “Golden Triangle” route.
His operations were ruthless, and his rise to power came with both extraordinary wealth and deadly violence.
Violence, no more deadly than the death of Melvin Combs, the father of music mogul Sean “Diddy” Combs, who was connected to Frank Lucas through the criminal underworld of Harlem.
“I had never actually read the article, but I bought the book, gobbled up the article, and said, ‘This would make a great film.’”
In 1972, in a tragic twist of fate, Melvin Combs was murdered, a crime that remains shrouded in mystery.
It is speculated that his death was linked to the broader world of organized crime and drug trafficking that Frank Lucas was a part of.
McNeil uncovered this connection while investigating the underworld for his documentary Pusherman, highlighting how the criminal world often intersected with the lives of the powerful, creating a murky web of violence, power, and loss.
From the outset, McNeil’s curiosity was never about the glamour or glorification. It wasn’t about the cartels or the power or the hype of crime.
“I think I learned very early on that [a lot] of what American culture produced was crap.”
It was about the people, their struggles, their choices, the raw, visceral truth of lives caught in the margins, capturing the humanity behind the crimes.
And as he delved deeper into Lucas’s world, McNeil’s unflinching curiosity led him to another revelation, the murder of Melvin Combs, a tragedy that connected the world of crime with the world of stars.
This wasn’t just a story of gangsters or moguls. It was the story of survival, of people trying to carve out their place in a world that had long forgotten them.
“I’ve always wanted to understand the things most people don’t want to see,” McNeil once said.
In Pusherman, he wasn’t interested in the easy answers, but the truth beneath the surface, the kind of truth most people turn away from.
“I wanna know about people’s lives and what they’re doing and how they get ideas, that’s more interesting to me.”
What McNeil found was not just darkness, but people struggling to exist.
And that was his gift: to see what others missed.
He didn’t judge, he listened. He didn’t sensationalize, he humanized. He found meaning where others found only chaos.
From the streets of Harlem to the neon lights of the adult film industry, to this day, McNeil has always scratched around the edges of the places most try to avoid.
Whether it’s punk, porn, or the criminal underworld, McNeil has always sought to uncover the complexities of those who lived outside the mainstream.
And his approach has always been the same, brutally honest, with a relentless desire to understand.
“I didn’t think I’d make it, I was not planning on living to be 69.”
Whether he was capturing the anarchic energy of the punk scene or peeling back the layers of the adult film industry, McNeil has never shied away from the raw and unpolished.
And has never been interested in exploitation. Only the truth. The messy, complicated, often painful truth that makes us human. The annihilation, the destructiveness, the self-pity, and the doubt.
McNeil is a living legend, whose perspective on the punk music scene not only helped define it but also capture its spirit and nascent DNA.
It was never just about music for him. It was about rebellion, rejecting conformity, and building something new out of a past that only celebrated acquiescence.
And when that world turned rebellion into a commodity, McNeil, ever the outsider, turned his frustration into art.
“I hate the modern world. Destroy the fucking modern world.”
In a world obsessed with the shiny, the easy, the digital, McNeil has remained a constant critic of the sanitized, a champion of the misfit, finding meaning in those who refuse to play by the rules.
And his writing has been a testament to all of them, the outcasts, the rebels, the ones who dared to be different when the world demanded conformity. Because true art always comes from breaking down the walls that surround us.
In the years to come, McNeil’s legacy will be more than the pages of Punk magazine. It will be in the voices he amplified, the stories he told, and the truth he brought to light. The stories about those living on the edges, struggling to be heard. From the Ramones to Frank Lucas, in the chaos of punk, in the darkness of the underworld, in the rawness of the misfits.
“People hated punk, and then disco came in and disco took over. Disco won, no one wanted punk.”
To this day, McNeil is still searching for humanity in the places most people don’t dare to look. Asking all of us to look deeper, to listen harder, and to find the truth that many refuse to believe.